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Subscribe to comments with RSS. You are commenting using your WordPress. You are commenting using your Google account. You are commenting using your Twitter account. And if one has ever dealt with issues like this in roles where assisting and serving fellow man is the goal, I would have to say that the need to recognize and label these behaviors is CRITICAL.
But we are adults living in an adult world, and sometimes you MUST attach a label to things in order to define and manage them. It is meant as defining the traits we might come across that are a very clear and present danger to the growth, emotional and spiritual well being of others. If they begin attempting to exert themelsves in games of power and control, other community members suffer for it. It IS a balancing act, and should be approached seriously, and with much consideration and kindness.
Labels like this are meant to define, not exclude and deride. It is called toxic because of the enormously disproportionate damage the behaviors cause. There is a difference between negative people who might be going through a difficult period, or people from dysfunctional backgrounds or recent life experience who are having a rough go and truly TOXIC level people.
The toxic induvial are defined in part by an inability to stop a pattern of behavior that is harming themselves and others. The fact that they prove unwilling to is what defines the difference. So, part of what defines toxicity is that the person behaving that way is unwilling to engage in change… while in the middle of a toxic pattern of behaviors, they are incapable and unwilling to recognize their need to step back and accept not being the center of attention, or not being prioritized all the time, or sometimes not being the one listened to when they give their advice average people have the humility to appreciate their advice was heard, and are fine with it not always being implemented.
You have to spend large amounts of time reassuring them, quite often. More than the other people who need attention deserve to have to suffer for.
There are some less common toxic personality types that are more passive aggressive and insidious. They work through gossip, innuendo, and character assassination. Yes, these people can change some of them..
Part of what defines that is an inability to grow out of pathological behaviors and thinking patterns. Brain scans show a distinct difference in brain development and activity, so they are literally physically different in that way. Yes, some people recognize and escape the behaviors and attitude. Sigh, another typo. It is meant as a means to define, and not as a means to exclude and deride. Sometimes adults need to properly label and name things in order to properly manage our lives.
The point is, what is the goal in attaching the label? Is it to exclude and scapegoat, or to recognize something that needs proper, appropriate attention? The idea is not that you not accept, be kind to, or have love for the toxic person. The idea is that you not allow them undue influence. I can speak personally for how immensely damaging toxic personalities can be. They are emotional and spiritual vampires in that regard.
You will find yourself drained, as toxic people seem to have a natural inclination towards wrestling for control, attention, and praise. Most people are reinforced by those things, but toxic people are pathologically DRIVEN to demand it, often when it is not earned. So, as children of God, they can be appreciated and accepted. As toxic people, one needs to protect themselves and others from their abusive personality type.
We still accept and appreciate these people as children of God. But for the sake of everyone involved, toxic people should be warned about, and not allowed to begin their games of power and control. I am speaking of behaviors here, of course, and not the individual themselves.
Many of these individuals behave this way on a track record where they know better, but continue to act on toxic instincts. Whatever the motivation, the results are damaging and often far disproportionate to the amount of actual authority, control, or influence they have been given… Because that is part of the nature of toxic personalities, a drive for power, control, and influence.
I hope and pray each and every person can avoid ever having to lock horns with these types of behaviors in another person. For those who have, you know what I speak of, and I wish you well.
It is tricky sometimes for people to separate the person from the behaviors. Especially with a toxic person, as they will often portray themselves as a misunderstood victim, no matter what level of acceptance and patience with disruptive behaviors you have shown. If the problem is a person, and that person is unwilling to take a back seat, for as long as necessary always driving to be a center of attention and gain more authority and influence, far earlier than it has been earned then recognize the flag.
They are so strong for having been raised in toxic environment yet still have gaurded their heart for the goodness of the future. Thank you for the great way you explained that. I was having a hard time finding words to describe essentially the same idea… that many people come from dysfunctional backgrounds but are capable and willing to learn from better modeling.
I think that is probably how and why toxic people can manage to pull of much more damage… this optimism in their ability to change gets taken advantage of. God gave u free will if u choose to be evil you are the one creating it….
Odd, I thought a pastor should be accepting of anyone and give anyone a chance to reform. Apparently, that is only true when you want it to be. Religion is never the issue, it is always the people that hide behind it.
I am sure you have an excuse for this hateful pastor and his idea of how to spot someone just like himself. As a matter of fact, he states quite plainly that he DOES.
His article is about being careful to avoid allowing a truly toxic person to gain undue influence. This is important, because the abusive behavior type toxic people often exhibit is subjecting people to power and control games, and wanting attention and congratulations constantly. He simply wanrs against allowing people like that to cause problems, and he desribes how that can happen, and how to protect against it.
That is where the difference is, and many you missed the way he made that point? The toxic version of that person would be the person sucking the resources of others and the community, while actively damaging it and not trying nor wanting to change. No, pollution is a natural byproduct of the creation, but not what the creator himself created. Better explanation, or worse? But I find it interesting to have conversations about belief, and what people attribute to or blame God for, and why.
You know, God still loves you nevertheless. However, humans are wicked and only the cleaning power of the blood of Jesus can transform us. Wow God is Soo awesome he has brought me so far!! They rarely tell the truth, they come in hard so they can try to cover up a lie or their lies. Now, when the truth is revealed about them they go into hiding.
Actually, that person sounds pretty positive and fine. And they engage in games of power and control, expect constant reassurance and attention from others, etc. If you have never dealt with toxic individuals, then I can see where you may not get the point. From what you describe as what you consider someone is calling toxic, you simply may not have had the experience in your life of dealing with one yet.
I hope you never have to. They personalize everything, to a much greater degree than is normal or healthy. Stone has a likeness of Richard Nixon tattooed on his back, the political equivalent of organized crime who would stop at nothing to exact revenge on an enemy. Sooner or later their toxic nature will be their undoing.
I feel the tide starting to turn. Toxic people also are Pastors at a church that collects money from distraught people who have nowhere else to turn. Toxic and Dangerous. I thought church should not turn they backs to anyone.
No matter what if person have money, no money, he is toxic, egoist. God is not judging us. So why pastrol thinks, he have the right to judge anyone. I am not supporter of pastors.
Centuries name of church, religy have been abused in bad things money, children abuse and so mmch more. God is all around. You dont need to go to church, you can have God in your home, in your heart. I love to go Catholic and Ortodox church sometimes. I love to put candle, make some prayers. He is stating QUITE SIMPLY, that for the protection of the community, be careful allowing people displaying these traits into positions of control, because they seek power and control not for the benefit of the group, but simply to stroke their own ego.
So anyways, if the pastor is ultimately helping people, thats great. This message he gives above is important far beyond just being a pastor in a churche. Toxic people are a terrible thing in a home, in a workplace, and recognizing and refusing to put up with the behavior is important.
Doing so early may actually be critical to the toxic person themselves learning how important it is that they stop their abuse. No mention of the Holy Spirit who does the convicting. We are not to judge. We may catch them, but the Holy Spirit cleans them up. Came upon this post and it hurt. It has taken me 20 years to feel worthy among believers. I have a really bad past. So, I stopped going.
In fact, just humbly graduated from Seminary, since I could not learn enough about God from any church. Jesus loves for us to assemble. Sure there are toxic people. We have all been toxic.
This post is toxic. You are holy and perfect? Your past has been rectified, cleansed for your own well being and in the eyes of God. To hear you preach would be enlightening and refreshing. The gall! The hipocracy is shameful. Shame on those who claim to KNOW Lord God yet close the door of acceptance when they are told that the road traveled by a good soul was negative.
Instead of praising your rebirth and overcoming trials many never learn from, they judge and turn?! How do I know? I asked Him. Do you ever think maybe so much free will given to us slobs was really a great idea? He carried me that day. I gained a valuable education in what God feels and thinks. He only wants us to stop hating, judging, being self-riteious, shaming and categorizing what people believe He wants!
A cool line in the movie Legion made me smile and I think God would approve. It was between Gabriel and Michael; they were fighting for what they were chosen to do, but got lost in the fray. So dear one, go forth, find your niche under the eyes of God and set about preaching the gospel. Wow, DeeDee, please take this comment from the heart. He is totally self sufficient, we need Him greatly every day of our lives and every moment.
He is All-knowing,, it is called Omnisciente. Nothing ever occurs to Him, He is not in the dark about anything, He never wonders if He should have done something different because He knows the future and how it is all going to turn out! That fact should be very comforting to us who do not know and at times question His leading or His work simply because we are finite beings!
He is infinite! So, I would encourage you to get in the Word to really know Him better! They are nervous people, who can be annoying to others when they react very aggressively, and hastily to urgencies and emergencies.
Please tell me in a simple language what are ingradients of a toxic person. How can we identify him. He had illicit relation with forbidden proximity relationship in the Holy Bible.
Having relationship even though superficially with another girl. Toxic is a much more clearly defined thing… it is chronic, it is destructive rather than constructive, and it will subvert time, energy and resources from places they are much more beneficially used.
If you have dealt with a truly toxic person, then you know. This article is toxic. You should be talking about how to love people instead of spotting ones that should just leave. Do you know their reasoning?
Your toxicity spread all over the page. Wow your response is really strong and toxic. I suggest you sit back and read The book of Proverbs and perhaps you will gain some insight on wisdom.
One-way of looking at this is that is that it is indeed loving to use discernment for the purpose of protecting ourselves and those we are accountable to and for from the destructive effects of people who for whatever reason shoethrmselves to be self involved and lacking respect for others.
I believe it is inflammatory to use terms like toxic in this context because it deflects from the real essence of thematter which is to defend against behavior that is self serving at the expense of others or the larger purpose.
Detail, such as not one of these should be considered in isolation but that taken together they suggest something about a person that is prudent to consider. If my dog has rabies I will not stop loving my dog. I was going to say something similar. Sir, you are leading people astray.
It sounds like all you want is to be served by meek followers. If you are lukewarm, God will spew you out of his mouth. No church should follow your advice. Maybe a corporation that handles regular business i. This is not something the church should follow at all. The church is put in place to teach people the road to follow. Not to run people off the road that dont come already perfect. You must always remember that even some members are wolfs in a sheep clothing.
Bless you. Very well done!!! The reason I am reading this information is for research and my spiritual journey, The last piece of the puzzle, which I have been extremely committed to find has finally been served on my plate. God is teaching me Patience , Every word that was presented to me was accurate to a fault. The conclusion is that surprisingly I am very High Maintenance, and Intense. Reflecting on those 3 words I have to agree.
I guess I come on to strong. I regress, I found this article when I typed in the exact 3 words I mentioned. The final questions do not apply to me which is some relief, but maybe through the eyes of others they do. I am searching for scriptures on the narrow path to continue this journey on my map. This pastor is talking about people who causes Discord among the Brethren they are toxic.
If a brother is Unfaithful to the Lord and he teaches other brother to be unfaithful this brother is toxic there are many toxic people in the church Jesus said the church is like a net humbleness and humility is the way to God through his son. I believe what this person described is a person who desperately needs love and approval. Someone who has suffered rejection.
I would call them someone needing love and acceptance. Someone that needs family very badly and will be a very dedicated member once loved. Most toxic people are unaware and believe they are above others. Sounds more like. This pastor is trying to eliminate too smart, too knowledgeable, too active memeber. Sectas, Church with those Pastors are looking for people, who might be weak in that part of life. And you will be abused. You need to pay attention to who the article is geared towards.
He is communicating this as a warning about truly abusive behaviors people who are responsible for communities should look out for. He never says these people should be ostracized. He does state what I can also personally attest to: these people often single themselves out, and often leave on their own… in part because of the nature of the toxic person themselves.
They want more than they have earned a right to, they personalize everything and feel victimized by everything, and act out of a sense of grievance and victimization, rather than seeking constructive solutions, etc. The point was to help others in charge of communities protect their communities.
It is similar to warning people of a drug dealer and some of the warning signs of drug dealing they will have people coming to their house at all hours, leaving at 5 a. Would you point the finger in the same way had the article been about those things?
I doubt it. Well, the fact is, chronically toxic people can be even more dangerous than drug dealers. I wish people out there acting this way were more adult, rather than basically acting like emotionally needy children who deserve a trophy simply for existing.
But, they do exist. They can be accepted, but should not be allowed to victimize others. Face it, people like this exist. If you personalize other people trying to help define the problem, I have to wonder why. True there are toxic people. We all can point to some of the issues you mentioned in our own lives. These kind of posts are good but they miss the mark. It assumes that because a person left three churches in 5 years that is a flag and makes the assumption that the person is the problem and not the pastors or churches they left.
In this day and age there seems to be just as many problematic churches and pastors as there are toxic people. Many pastors are toxic and controlling and many churches need to be left by those who want truth. Many pastors are destroying their churches because they are so loving and nice. Niceness in this day and age is a far greater problem than toxic people. Loving, kind, and non-confrontational. Yet, they are more dangerous than the toxic people you mentioned.
I would rather deal with an aggressive zealous outspoken person than a nice spineless pastor who will not stand up for the Gospel any day of the week. True, some people are outspoken and aggressive, but that does not mean they are toxic.
They can be, but that does not mean they are. So yes there are toxic people who are miserable and nobody is right but them. But the signs you give might be a result of people who are just looking for a safe church that is not driven by every wind and doctrine and is sound in faith.
Surely, it cannot be right for Christians to willy nilly label people as toxic, and especially for clergy to jump on this derogatory bandwagon? Yes, it is true that there are some extremely damaged people who present with extremely difficult personality disorders such as narcissistic or borderline personality disorder and who project some extremely difficult, nasty and damaging behaviour in society.
But, surely, understanding these people only in terms that they are toxic, cannot be right? So I cannot accept that a person per se is toxic, let us, at the very least, recognise that a distinction should be made here. Which brings me to one of the questions I desire to ask, how do we help people who exhibit damaged traits, who are in our lives already? Hello I am a ministry leader who ministered to people who were presenting a difficult behaviour mainly because of abuse in their background.
True authority establishes such people and other believers alike. You can email me. I would be happy to send you a copy. I sure did agree with that last comment on the misunderstood toxic people and tried with all my heart to show one the unconditional love that Christ showed us and he became physical mentally emotionally abusive and 20 years later im still receiving the most vile and hateful remarks no human deserves.
Honestly why are you even reading this obviously you arent looking at the whole picture becsuse it is most helpful to be able to spot someone whos toxic in which theyll have several of these issues not one. Hes not misunderstood he gets respect by forcing it and doing evil hurtful things if they dont get what they want and you better believe the pastors are targeted and they are being good shepards by warning the sheep about them.
Does anyone read their Bibles anymore? Thats whats wrong w the churches both these commenters are probably of the toxic type anyway to critisize what a paster has been lead by God to speak about how dare you assume and confront a pastor and say you missed the mark.
One red flag is one flag too many. A person needs to have the wisdom to know the difference and learn to know when to step away from that person. I agree with some of what your response said, however, just to walk away when you are in an abusive relationship is not that simple.
I can relate. I was brought up in a dysfunctional home toxic environmental learning I had no one in my life to set the example for me I wanted to be healthy emotionally and mentally in fact I was starving for it. So as a result I would look up the people that I encountered in my life that I respected and then I would carry out their example that they gave me.
I speak from someone who has a difficult personality and who is also ordained. Personal it is my belief that as a pastor but even more so a Christian labeling someone as toxic is in of itself toxic. We should be showing grace to these people and trying to reach them. I personally like the difficult personalities because they challenge me and force me to grow.
I can speak from experience on having gone multiple churches in multiple years. Some pastors are so focused on growing the next mega church they have lost sight on why they became pastors. To reach the unreachable. Vital points Jessie. I would just remind all of us as Christians or should I say born again believers. Beloved let us love one another for love is of God! Welcome people into your congregation if there is a problem pray asking the LORD for direction in how to take care of it.
Remember the Church is a hospital, we are to bring persons to wellness in love and peace. May the fruit of the Spirit be manifested in us all as we meet persons who may be different from us.
God Bless you all Selah! Keep in mind though, the pastor DOES list it as simply a flag… something to just notice. Because yes, there are some wandering trouble makers, and so its just something to be aware of.
And after you give a person a bit to settle in and you get to know them, the flag will fade with decent folk. The tricky thing with many toxic people is they can be high charismatic, and draw you in without you even be completely aware of it. I believe toxic people often live with low self-esteem, hence the need to sound grandiose and more knowledgeable than they are.
And like the secular world, where people are trying to gain notability via talent and reality shows, the Christian world has its limelight seekers searching for celebrity via piety. Nevertheless, this personality type can still cause many negative issues in Church or any other organisation, for that matter, because narcissism is destructive.
After all, their opinions are too important. That said, excluding them is not the answer. Instead, their influence needs to be kept in check by those in authority.
Judas was toxic, but Jesus loved him. This same Jesus was not afraid at all to tell the truth. I can jog all the way to Texas and back, but my daughter can't! She never could! Oh God! I am so mad I don't know what to do! I wanna know why! Lord, I wish I could understand! M'Lynn : No! It's not supposed to happen this way! I'm supposed to go first.
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